This segment was originally broadcast on Nov. 30, 2012.
Jake Tapper is the longtime chief White House correspondent for ABC News and has just written a new book called The Outpost: An Untold Story of American Valor.
We've invited him to play a game called "It's Mr. Bojangles to you." Three questions for a guy named Tapper about an actual tapper: Bill "Bojangles" Robinson, who some say was one of the greatest tap dancers of all time.
CARL KASELL: From NPR and WBEZ-Chicago, this is WAIT WAIT...DON'T TELL ME!, the NPR News quiz. I'm Carl Kasell, and here's your host at the Chase Bank Auditorium in downtown Chicago, Peter Sagal.
PETER SAGAL, HOST:
Thank you, Carl.
SAGAL: Thank you everyone. Great to see you. You know, in this modern age, we often rush through life, the next thrill, the next adventure, the next restaurant, the next brand new episode of a radio show.
KASELL: But sometimes it's important to stop, take stock, maybe listen to some old radio shows, so you can learn to appreciate them.
SAGAL: Could not have put it better, Carl. That's a beautiful sentiment/excuse to play reruns while we're on vacation.
SAGAL: By the way, what are you doing in your week off?
KASELL: Well, the usual, Peter, marshal arts and making moonshine.
SAGAL: That's great.
SAGAL: Well, you might get some tips with your recipe from our first guest, Martha Stewart. She joined us in November of last year, along with panelists Roxanne Roberts, Alonzo Bodden and P.J. O'Rourke.
KASELL: And we started by asking her to describe exactly what it is she does.
MARTHA STEWART: Well, I am a teacher, and I teach people what they want and need to know, all about living.
SAGAL: I mean, you say people need to now.
STEWART: Yes, I...
SAGAL: Do people need to know how to make their own brass andirons from melted jewelry? I mean because you do these incredibly elaborate things.
STEWART: Well, I don't think I've ever done that but I have cast metal.
STEWART: I think that people want to know how to do practical and everyday things like how to peel a head of garlic. Do you know the easiest way to peel a head of garlic?
SAGAL: Oh, no. A head of garlic is way out of my league.
STEWART: OK, so here's what you do.
STEWART: And it's like magic. You put the head of garlic, a whole head in a stainless steel bowl.
STEWART: About 12 inches in diameter, and you find another stainless steel bowl exactly the same size and you put that over the first bowl.
STEWART: And you shake - you hold it on the rims and you shake, shake, shake for about maybe a minute, really hard and all of the sudden, like magic, every clove of garlic is nicely peeled, un-bruised and in the bowl.
STEWART: Try that.
SAGAL: You tell me this and what I imagine is I imagine you going into your secret laboratory for a week until finally you come up with this genius method of using two bowls. Is that more or less how it happened?
STEWART: It's not my actual discovery, but it is certainly a fabulous thing for everybody to know.
SAGAL: Now, I...
STEWART: It's like how to get the pomegranate seeds out of a pomegranate. Do you know how to do that?
SAGAL: No, tell me.
STEWART: Take the point of a sharp, sharp knife and just score through the skin, make - and then quarter it, OK.
STEWART: Then break it into four quarters, the pomegranate, turn the quarter of the pomegranate skin side up, in the palm of your hand, and hit it with the back of a wooden spoon, over a bowl. And if you just keep hitting that skin of the quartered pomegranate in your hand, all the seeds will fall out neatly into the bowl and you will be left with an empty skin.
STEWART: You haven't bruised one of those beautiful little ruby-red seeds in the pomegranate.
SAGAL: I actually have a fairly serious question.
SAGAL: I want you to imagine that you've been invited by a friend, a close friend, somebody you're very easy and causal with, over to dinner, and they take out a pomegranate and they start removing the seeds incorrectly. Could you...
STEWART: No, no, there are many ways to take the seeds out of a pomegranate.
SAGAL: All right.
STEWART: This is by far the quickest, fastest, most practical and neatest way to do it.
SAGAL: Let's say that they are removing the seeds in a non-optimum way.
SAGAL: Could you, Martha Stewart, in that situation which I have described, stop yourself from telling them how to do it better?
SAGAL: You couldn't do it.
STEWART: It would be hard. It would be hard.
SAGAL: You just don't have that gear. You can't just stop and go...
STEWART: No, but it's fun. And they will love me forever...
STEWART: Because I have solved a problem, a lifelong problem of how to get the (bleep) oh, excuse me.
STEWART: The seeds out of a pomegranate.
ALONZO BODDEN: I guess it has been a problem.
SAGAL: Yeah. Is it hard - I want to ask, again, because I'm interested in what your life is like, because I've seen your shows and I've read your magazine. One of the things I admire so much about you is you make everything sort of excellent and classy and lovely no matter what you start with. We had some challenges for you to see what you would think of to do with this.
STEWART: Oh, OK.
SAGAL: Here we go. So, for example, let's say, I say Martha, here's your project, boom, on the table, a can of Spam.
STEWART: What would I do with it?
STEWART: Oh, I would open the can.
STEWART: I would slice it into about between an eighth and a quarter of an inch slices.
STEWART: And I would fry it in butter, just lightly sauté it in butter, nice butter, unsalted butter and I would eat it with Dijon mustard on nice country white bread, crusty bread. It is delicious.
P. J. O'ROURKE: You were a bachelor guy in a former life because I have made that breakfast.
STEWART: Isn't it good?
SAGAL: First of all, you've done that, what you just described...
STEWART: I have. I have. I mean, listen, I grew up in a family of six kids.
SAGAL: All right, it's time to throw down, Martha Stewart.
STEWART: Oh. I love Velveeta.
SAGAL: Oh, come on.
STEWART: It's awful. I do, though. If I'm in somebody's house and they have Velveeta cheese, I do take a piece of it, and I really like it. I'm not kidding. But I have never bought it.
SAGAL: Beer Nuts.
STEWART: Beer and nuts?
SAGAL: No, Beer Nuts.
STEWART: What's Beer Nuts?
STEWART: I don't know what those are.
SAGAL: That's all right, you don't really want to know.
SAGAL: Have you ever looked yourself upon Wikipedia?
STEWART: I have. It's hideous and it's wrong.
SAGAL: It is hideous.
STEWART: It's all wrong. They even have my date of my first and only marriage wrong.
SAGAL: We actually wanted to ask you about something we found on Wikipedia.
SAGAL: So if it's not true, you can correct us. According to Wikipedia, you once dated Mr. Anthony, or Sir Anthony Hopkins. And Wikipedia says that you broke it off because you couldn't stop thinking of him as Hannibal Lecter.
STEWART: That happens to be true.
SAGAL: No, really?
SAGAL: Was he over for dinner and you were like chopping the vegetables and he said "I'll help you with that, Martha" and you were like, ah.
STEWART: He's the most charming man, the most charming man. And I went out to dinner with him and then I went back and I saw his piano. He plays a piano and he has a lovely house. And I wanted to invite him to my house in Maine. I have this big old house in Maine. And I kept thinking, I don't know if I can do that.
STEWART: And I didn't.
SAGAL: It would probably be easier if he didn't wear that hockey mask all the time.
SAGAL: It's very comfortable, he said. Well, Martha Stewart, we are delighted to have you with us. It is a pleasure to have you here. But we have asked you here today to play a game that we are calling?
KASELL: It's a bad thing.
STEWART: Oh, my gosh.
SAGAL: So, you're wonderful at helping people come up with great do it yourself projects. We're going to ask you about three not-so-great projects somebody really put together and displayed on the internet, as helpfully collected by Buzzfeed. Get two questions right, you'll win our prize, Carl's voice on the home answering machine for one of our listeners, of course. Carl, who is Martha Stewart playing for?
KASELL: She's playing for Hannah Hudson of Tacoma Park, Maryland.
STEWART: OK, well poor Hannah, she's probably going to not get your voice.
SAGAL: All right, here we go.
SAGAL: Here's your first question. People love to put logos on things on which they do not belong. One big fan of Luis Vuitton put their logo all over their what? A: their house? B: their wife? C: their assault rifle?
STEWART: Their house.
SAGAL: Their house. No, their assault rifle.
SAGAL: It's a charming AK-47 with Luis Vuitton logos and a bright green ammo magazine, just the thing to bring to a firefight at a soiree.
SAGAL: Next question. People love to reuse common household goods in their crafts, as I'm sure you know. There's a whole website out there devoted to making crafts out of spare what? A: Fingernail clippings? B: Tampons? C: Sodium sulfate, a byproduct of paper mills?
SAGAL: I'm going to ask you something.
SAGAL: If I came to you with a small container of fingernail clippings and said, "Make something," could you do it?
SAGAL: So you're going to stick with that answer, fingernail clippings?
SAGAL: It's tampons.
SAGAL: The website is called Tamponcrafts.com. You can go there to learn how to make Christmas ornaments.
STEWART: I bet you could probably find the fingernail thing, too.
SAGAL: You're probably right. All right, Martha, one last question. Let's see if we can pick this one up.
SAGAL: People love to make homemade beauty products. So, if you want something crafty for use in your bathroom, you could buy, from Etsy, of course. A: Tanning lotion made with real gravy? B: Soap with real razor blades inside? Or C: Exfoliating wipes that are just squares of sandpaper?
STEWART: Hmm. Maybe the exfoliating wipes.
SAGAL: Are you going to stick with that?
SAGAL: It was actually the soap with the razor blades.
STEWART: See, that's very unpleasant. And they sell that on Etsy?
SAGAL: They do sell it on Etsy. They're soap. It's translucent soap so you can see the razor blades inside. And these soaps are labeled "for decorative purposes only."
STEWART: Oh, I don't like that.
STEWART: It's sort of like Hannibal Lecter.
SAGAL: Carl, how did Martha Stewart do on our quiz?
KASELL: She needed two correct answers to win for Hannah Hudson, but she had no correct answers.
STEWART: Oh Hannah, I'm so sorry. I'll do my voice for you, Hannah, any time.
SAGAL: Oh yeah, Hannah, that's an offer.
SAGAL: Martha Stewart's holiday offerings can be found at Macy's, Home Depot, and Staples. Martha Stewart, thank you so much for joining us on WAIT WAIT...DON'T TELL ME!
STEWART: Thank you.
SAGAL: What fun to talk to you.
STEWART: Thanks for having me.
SAGAL: Thank you, Martha.
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